In this week’s show, Chelsea Alice interviews translator Ian Patterson again. This time they discuss The Theory of the Four Movements by the 19^th century French utopian thinker Charles Fourier, as a way of thinking about 19^th century history, science, and philosophy. They also discuss Ian’s recent poetry collection Shell Vestige Disputed. The last time these two discussed Ian’s translation of Proust.

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