On this episode, I talk to Kathleen Rooney about finding the fun despite the end of The Great Enlightenment, the joys of mixing wit and earnestness in verse, the fun of exploring the landscapes of AWP locations despite mentally frying beneath fluorescent lights, the tactile pleasures of typewriters, and other important matters.

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Check out Kathleen Rooney’s essay on Godley and Creme’s “Cry” and Brian Salmans’s essay on E.U.’s “Da Butt” over at marchxness.com.

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Check out Orlando typewriter guru Nick Georgoudiou’s bookstore, Joybird Books. He is my co-host for type-ins at The Kerouac Project of Orlando.

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