On this episode, I speak with the poet David van den Berg on the glories of tromping through swamps as a child, the knifeblade dialectic of cynicism and wonder, and discovering a sense of authentic voice.

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Check out my essay on walking, “The Cowboy and the Vampire,” over at Autofocus literary magazine.

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